Pictures & Comments: Marine 31 Boat Detailing Class - May 2015

[Mike Phillips]

Pictures & Comments: Marine 31 Boat Detailing Class - May 2015 (http://www.marine31online.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234)



Note: The next class will be in August call Nick at 1-877-797-8803 to get registered.


Here's the group shot with John Greviskis from Ship Shape TV!

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Thank you to everyone that attended!
I hope you all had as much fun as Nick and I had and also learned some tips, techniques and tools to make detailing boats faster, more effective and more fun.



This is the thread to post your comments, feedback and pictures from the class. If you're not a member of this forum you need to join the forum in order to post to it.

Click here to join the forum (http://www.marine31online.com/forum/register.php)


If you need help then give either myself or Nick a call or e-mail

Mike: 1-800-869-3011 x206

Nick: 1-800-869-3011 x215


Thank you!

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[Bob A]

Mike,

The class far exceeded my expectations. I was hesitant to jump into gel coat refinish work. I now can go at it like an experienced professional. Two things I would like to have seen: A copy of the powerpoint. A 5 minute discussion on how to approach areas of the boat that are not machinable. Like the rim seated area under a hatch, or some of those areas on the hull that are cluttered by exposed hardware. The class is worth twice the price.

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Bob A

[Mike Phillips]

Mike,

The class far exceeded my expectations. I was hesitant to jump into gel coat refinish work. I now can go at it like an experienced professional.

Two things I would like to have seen:

A copy of the powerpoint.

A 5 minute discussion on how to approach areas of the boat that are not machinable. Like the rim seated area under a hatch, or some of those areas on the hull that are cluttered by exposed hardware.

The class is worth twice the price.

V/r
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Bob A


Hi Bob,

Thank you for attending the class and thank you very much for the feedback.

Like we discussed in the class, on a scale of 1 to 10 this boat was about a 5 or 6 with the amount of oxidation, scratches and water spots. This made for a really great learning experience because it was bad enough that it enabled us to show a complete restoration process but not so bad that it couldn't be saved without hundreds of hours of work.

As for the Power Point I'm working on something like that for future classes as well as everyone that attended this last class.

As for areas that are hard to get by machine that's when we have to fall back on good old fashioned elbow grease and knock these out by hand. The sanding can be done by hand and even rubbing out your sanding marks it just takes more time.

A better approach is to fall back on using an aggressive one-step cleaner/wax and a simple piece of cotton terrycloth as the terrycloth acts like a mild form of abrasive and together with the abrasives in the cleaner/wax and a little elbow grease you can restore these harder to work areas to match the result created by machine on the surrounding surfaces. Besides the work element the other huge factor is simply the time element.


Yours truly and a few guys in the warehouse will be out restoring the studio back to its former condition plus I'm going to finish buffing out the diamond plate fenders on the trailer.

After that I'll try to get some pictures from the class into this thread today.


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[Bob A]

My skiff is a "12". As I am repairing and working with fresh shot gel coat, and have a number of hatches to address time and effort are paramount. I'm inclined to take my Milwaukee angle drill and mount a small wool pad in order to work all the lid seated areas. The original lids sit over a recessed lip that captures the water. I'm modifying them for height and width to accept gaskets. The lids have a lot of wear and tear from sitting hard on the deck. Thanks again for your insight and recommendations. I may have to attend a few of your Thursday gigs. The wife is fired up to have me detail the trucks. V/r Rj

[crackedconch]

This class was just great! Mike is the absolute best! Nick was very knowledgeable and helpful too!

I drove over to the class from St. Pete as a boat owner wanting to learn more about how to care for my own boat. There were many people in the class in the professional detail business. I thought I might be a bit out of my element, but the class was truly set up and taught to be effective for anyone!

I learned that much of how I had been going about boat care was the 'hard way' and that there truly is an easier way. Mike showed us tools and products that sincerely save time, effort and money. Mike and Nick were very friendly and patient to answer all my questions (...and I had a lot of them). The facility is top-notch and they are very safety-minded.

John Greviskis from Ship Shape TV stopped by which was a nice bonus.

After seeing Marine31 on Ship Shape about a year ago, I ordered and used some products. They are easier to use than competitor's products and give great results, often much better. But the class also taught me how to know which product is right for which job, keep it simple and how to select the least aggressive product that will achieve the desired result.

I'd highly recommend this class to anyone! A big thanks again to Mike and Nick (and John)!!!

-Bryan Cook

[Mike Phillips]

Went through the pictures taken during the class, going to post them in the order they were taken...

Our classes start with a Power Point Presentation where we go over all the topics to be covered in the class and then we focus in on the first topic.

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After discussing the first topic it's time for hands-on practice. One of the topics we cover is the order in which to do each step. I keep the focus on reducing steps.

So before washing the boat outside, we went over how to polish the metal brightwork and machine scrub the non-skid. By tackling these two components BEFORE washing the boat you can remove the polish residue off the metal brightwork while washing the boat, (this save you at least one step), and the rinse the non-skid while washing the boat, (this saves you a step.

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Saving steps = saving time and energy
To clean and polish all the metal brightwork we're using Marine 31 Stainless Steel and Aluminum Brightening Soap (http://www.marine31.com/marine-31-stainless-steel-polishing-soap.html) which uses all natural soap flakes without any of the nasty solvents or abrasives used in a lot of metal polishes.

You can apply this and wipe it off or what I find is a lot easier is to apply it and then wash it off. Thus applying it BEFORE you wash the boat makes the job faster and cleaner.


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[Mike Phillips]

Next we scrubbed the hard, molded-in non-skid. Now you can do this by hand with a scrub brush or using a brush on a pole. Both these approaches work.

To REALLY get the non-skid clean I showed how to MACHINE SCRUB the non-skid using Cyclo brushes on both the Cyclo Polisher and the Porter Cable Polishers using Marine 31 Port to Starboard All Purpose Cleaner (http://www.marine31.com/marine-31-all-purpose-cleaner.html).


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Another reason I show doing this step by machine is because later we're going to SEAL the molded-in non skid surfaces using the Marine 31 Non-Skid Clear Sealant with Carnauba (http://www.marine31.com/marine-31-non-skid-boat-wax.html) and like a lot of detailing procedures the most important aspect of sealing non-skid is starting with a clean surface and machine cleaning does a better job of cleaning non-skid than you can ever do by hand.

This is another step you want to do BEFORE washing the boat because you don't want to use electric tools around water. So we polished the metal brightwork and machine scrubbed the non-skid with the boat inside the studio and then after finishing these two steps moved the boat outside into the hot Florida sun to wash the boat.


The order you do the steps is up to you... I like to find ways that reduce the number of steps while still getting the job done fast and efficient.

Of course most people won't have an air conditioned studio to work in when detailing a boat but we like provide a fun, cool and educational work environment for all our classes.


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[Mike Phillips]

Boat Washing

Nothing like a hot sunny day here in Stuart, Florida to step outside wash a boat and get a little Florida sunshine!

In our boat detailing classes we go over personal safety when detailing boats. Here's the Power Point Slide that leads into the discussion on boat detailing safety.

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Having sturdy scaffolding or in our case rolling safety ladders with perforated treads. That and brushes with extendable handles to reach the top of the T-top.

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Here's Oscar foaming the outside of the boat using the Marine 31 1/2 gallon Foam Gun (http://www.marine31.com/boat-washing-foam-gun.html) with Marine 31 Gel Coat Wash & Wax with Carnauba (http://www.marine31.com/marine-31-gel-coat-boat-wash.html)

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Here's Daniel power rinsing the suds off the boat using the power washer from his mobile detailing van. He has an incredible fully self-contained set-up enabling him to tackle anything!

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At all our classes we show a wide variety of tools including the Guzzler Waffle Weave Drying towels (http://www.marine31.com/guzzler-triple-kit.html) for drying off the water to avoid water spots.

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Here's Frank using the Ultimate Guzzler (http://www.marine31.com/waffle-weave-drying-towel.html) which measures 28" by 44" and has pockets on both ends to slide your hands into.
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And also the Absorber XL Drying Towel (http://www.marine31.com/absorber-xl-drying-towel.html)which is a synthetic chamois. Here's Jeff drying the topside.

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[Billenall]

Mike and Nick,

Your class on Saturday was exceptional not only was it informative but also very user friendly.

I have been detailing boats for years but taking your class introduced me to your superior product line and tools. The right tool does make the difference and so does the right product, Marine 31 is fantastic stuff. I spoke with Nick and he had my order to me the next day and I am actually looking forward to using it.

Mike it was a pleasure meeting you and experiencing your passion for what you do. I would recommend anyone to take this class especially if you ever consider doing this for a living or are involved in the boat industry. I met some great hard working Americans that just wanted to make their skills better than the next guy and they did just that.

Thanks again Mike and Nick for a great class !

Bill Allen
General Manager
Jacksonville Marine Inc.

[Mike Phillips]

Special Guest Visit

John Greviskis, the host of "Ship Shape TV" stopped by to say hi and chat with all the guys....


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[Mike Phillips]

Mike it was a pleasure meeting you and experiencing your passion for what you do. I would recommend anyone to take this class especially if you ever consider doing this for a living or are involved in the boat industry.

Bill Allen
General Manager
Jacksonville Marine Inc.




Hi Bill,

Likewise, it was a genuine pleasure meeting and working with you too!

If there's ever anything I can do for you don't hesitate to ask.



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[Mike Phillips]

After talking shop with Ship Shape John it was time to do as the power point presentation stated and that's...

Get busy!

All our classes are VERY HANDS-ON!


In fact over the years I would say that is the most common compliment and feedback we receive about our classes and that is there's not much sitting around time... most of the time you're on your feet working and learning.

Next up...

How to remove oxidation

The first thing we do is discuss the two general categories of boats, that would be,


Painted
Gel-coat


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During the power point presentation we go over how these two types of finishes are very different and it is of the utmost importance to know which type of finish you're working on otherwise you will make a VERY costly mistake. I explain what the risk is when you make a mistake and how to avoid the risk to save yourself a lot of headache and expense.

Once we cover painted versus gel-coat hulls we move onto how to work on gel-coat hulls.

Now there's all kinds of ways to remove oxidation but my goal is to always show people the easiest way to do it while getting the best results.

When it comes to removing oxidation, most people think the best and fastest way to do this is to use a rotary buffer with a wool pad and an aggressive compound.

And that's how most of the industry does this type of work.

No me.


Removing oxidation with a rotary buffer and a wool pad means PUSHING HARD against the boat for hours and hours. It's incredibly hot, hard work.

What I show for medium and severe oxidation is how to reach the same goal by doing a whole lot less work and a whole lot less pushing a rotary buffer hard against the side of a boat hull that also by the way is at an angle pointed away from you making the process even more difficult using the traditional approach.

First up, I show the simplest known way to remove oxidation and that is to hand sand using a simple flexible hand backing pad with an extremely high quality sandpaper. I explain why it's important to use the highest quality sanding products you can obtain as there are 4 strong reasons.

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Restoring an oxidized gel-coat boat
This is the advanced part of the class and this also tends to be the portion of the class most guys are interested in learning about. There are no books, videos or other boat detailing classes that I'm aware of where you can get this type of very specific information and the techniques to do this type of work correctly.

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I always show two ways to hand sand starting with how to wrap a backing pad....

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Followed by the correct way to move your sanding pad over the surface. There's a right way and a wrong way. There's also hand speed and pressure to be aware of as well as how long to sand.

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Next I show an easier way to hand sand... a much easier way...

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These guys are laughing now while I'm doing all the work but they won't be laughing when it's their turn!

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Next up is the easiest way to sand and that's to machine sand. This portion of the class goes over how to use both air sanders and electric machine sanders safely as well as the correct techniques for machine sanding.

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Machine Compounding
After sanding it's time to remove your sanding marks. This can be done a number of ways but I show the fastest way and that's using a rotary buffer with a wool pad and a high quality compound.

You're always going to want and need a rotary buffer when working on oxidized boats but the amount of work needed to remove sanding marks is FAR LESS than the amount of work to use the old way of compounding for hours and hours.

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Techniques for using a rotary buffer
The rotary buffer can be a friend or a foe, it all comes down into how you hold the tool and we go over that in the class too....

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That's red pigmented gel-coat or polyester resin you see on the face of the wool pad. That's normal and to be expected.

Whenever you're doing compounding work you'll have two things building up on the face of your pad and we go over why it's important to work clean and then how to clean your pads as you work around the boat.

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Next it's time for the class to start sanding and buffing.


:)

[Mike Phillips]

Action time!


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Here's the results after Captain's One-Step Compound & Polish both with a rotary buffer followed by the Flex 3401 Forced Rotation/Forced Oscillation Dual Action Polisher

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Then we stripped the gel-coat to remove any polishing oils....

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Then applied the Captain's Boat Coating with UV50

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[Mike Phillips]

During the morning portion of the class before we washed the boat we polished the metal, cleaned the non-skid and also washed and cleaned all the vinyl surfaces.

We did NOT however apply any protection to the non-skid or vinyl surfaces as that's the last step after exterior detailing.

For the interior detailing Nick shows and explains how to use the Marine 31 Mildew Guard followed by how to apply the Marine 31 Clear Non-Skid with Carnauba.

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And if you look at the results... the vinyl and floor both match, that is they are a very pristine beautiful white color just like new. (This is a 2001 boat).


Nice work guys!


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[Mike Phillips]

Here's the graduating class for April 2015!

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Vaughn Collins
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Kevin
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Thanks everyone! This was a fun class and the boat looks better than new!

If you ever have any questions or need any help you're now part of the Marine 31 family, so don't hesitate to get a hold of either Nick or I.


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[Mike Phillips]

Here's where we started out from...
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Here's a few beauty shots I took the next day as the boat was leaving....


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Time to go fishing!

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[FrankS]

The boat came out looking great!

Really enjoyed the class, good teaching from Mike and Nick by precept and example.

The class was well designed by having teaching session breaks throughout the day giving us a chance to take little breaks. Pizza for lunch was a nice bonus :eat:

It's a lot of work detailing a boat properly but it was a lot fun working together with others in the class.

Many people made the work load light for each one but at the same time everyone had a chance to get some hands-on experience in making the boat look fantastic.

Overall I thought it was a very good class and would recommend it to anyone detailing boats as a business and also boat owners interested in how to clean their boat and keep it well maintained. :thumb:

[Jeff Wagner]

I had a great time learning some new skills in the boat class. I detail cars and boats are totally new for me so this was perfect. Next time i finish with a car and they ask if i can do there boat? My answer will be yes. Looking forward to seeing what i can do with some boats now. The class was Awesome! Thank you Mike and Nick!

[reelfrogman]

Mike,
Great class! I have been working on my own boats for years, and, as most self taught, did a lot the hard way. I learned many tips and tricks. The information from this class will not only make my work go smoother, but, go quicker too.
I really learned a lot about the tools needed and the hands on application was most helpful.
Having the opportunity to meet you and John from Ship Shape TV capped off the day.
I ordered tools and supplies from Nick on Monday and they hit my doorstep on Tuesday! (Nick returned my call within 15 minutes -means he was not dead-lol).
Thanks again!
Wayne

[Mike Phillips]

Mike,
Great class! I have been working on my own boats for years, and, as most self taught, did a lot the hard way.

I learned many tips and tricks. The information from this class will not only make my work go smoother, but, go quicker too.

I really learned a lot about the tools needed and the hands on application was most helpful.



Thanks for sharing the above, this was the goal to show how to work smarter not harder while still getting excellent results.




Having the opportunity to meet you and John from Ship Shape TV capped off the day.



John's great. He's the real deal, the kind of guy you'd like to have for a neighbor.




I ordered tools and supplies from Nick on Monday and they hit my doorstep on Tuesday!



That's fast!




(Nick returned my call within 15 minutes -means he was not dead-lol).



Tired but still very much alive. He's a very hard working guy and I'm lucky to have him helping with all our classes.




Thanks again!
Wayne



Completely our pleasure Wayne, thank you for joining us!


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